Thursday, April 05, 2007

Superlegality

This comment just came through on a Kos post about Goodling's refusal to testify.

We can either sort delicts and torts (crimes and suits) via public institutions, or by private means.

In the latter instance, there are no rules of evidence or telling or adjudication. None whatsoever.

In that world, quibbles over things like Miranda, modes of interrogation and incarceration as a suspect just aren't very important anymore.

Perhaps Miss Goodling would prefer that world.

So far, it's just been a world where certain execrable persons can be declared outlaws in the Norse sense -- outside the protection of law -- by executive fiat.

Now we see the other side of extralegality -- super-legality -- that certain exalted persons can be declared outside the prosecution of law.

The first goes inextricably with the last. We are in Monica Goodling seing the tentative beginning of a claim that due process is only valid if undertaken by persons deemed impartial and just not by the accused, but by the person called for testimony, on the grounds they don't like the people asking for answers to their questions.

Of course, when persons deemed acceptable are in control, that's different.

That, ultimately, is the basis for Miss Goodling's discomfiture. For whatever motive, she declares that any cooperation with Congress is a threat to her person, that this threat is illegitimate, and that she will not comply...the suggestion being that the administration will back her up should Congress seek to compel her appearance.

That might not happen. Then again, it might.

If so, we are far, far closer to a breakdown in not just this current investigation, but in our system of government.

Like I said at the top; either we resolve disputes -- delicts and torts - via the institutions that were trusted (more or less), regardless of who is in control, or we throw away twelve hundred years of experience reaching back to the Magna Carta, and look to old-school Sicily and modern-day Russia for idea on how to best take the law into our own hands, when resolving conflicts between persons and parties.

10 comments:

Gonzo said...

She took the Fifth and the Left goes nuts.

Garrett said...

Actually, no, she didn't take the Fifth. You can't take the Fifth until you actually answer questions.

Gonzo said...

Whatever, Garrett. Witchhunts. Congressional approval ratings are 5 points worse than Bush's, so much for the "mandate" (quotes are dripping in sarcasm).

You dumb bastards are finally in a position to make a difference and you're blowing it with bullshit. Where are the principles of the Democratric Party? If I dunno and I consider myself politically astute, what about the average Joe?

Not even smart enough for a Pyrrhic victory, the left is heading towards a Pyrrhic defeat.

SeattleSusieQ said...

It's not bullshit, John.


You ask "Where are the principles of the Democratric Party?" In plain view.

The oversight responsibility of the Congress has been non-existent for the past 6 years and some of us feel like those who have (or may have) ignored the rule of law, let alone the Constitution, should have consequences attached to their actions.

Isn't that what the election result was all about?

Why aren't YOU interested in seeing what we're supposedly fighting for in Iraq exist here?

Gonzo said...

Plain view? Haha...and what, pray tell, are they? Can you explain them? Why isn't it apparent to the American public and why, if the mandate is there, are the Congressional aproval numbers so low? These are reasonably questions.

I have absolutely no problem with Congressional oversight but there are limits. The tag of "oversight" shouldn't be used as a catch-all to justify political warfare. I think that's what is beginning to happen. I could be wrong, but you could be, too.

I've said all along that the 2006 results were a "throw da bums out" vote and not a "we love the Dems" vote. You disagree.

If I'm wrong and you're right then the more investigations that the Dems lauch, the more popular they'll be and a shoo-in for the 2008 election.

If I'm right and you're wrong then the 2008 elections will be brutal for the Dems because the "throw da bums out" mentality will be more raging than ever.

Is that a fair assessment?

Garrett said...

Bush Job Approval, February: 35%
Democrats in Congress Job Approval, February: 41%
Republicans in Congress Job Approval, February: 33%

Congressional Job Approval, April: 40%
Bush Job Approval, April: 35%

Like to pull any more figures out of your ass, John?

Garrett said...

What do Democrats stand for? Hmm, let's see, where could I possibly find an answer to that question...

"The Democratic Party is committed to keeping our nation safe and expanding opportunity for every American. That commitment is reflected in an agenda that emphasizes the security of our nation, strong economic growth, affordable health care for all Americans, retirement security, honest government, and civil rights."

Security of the nation: check.
I could go on, but I have to backtrack and provide more info on that last comment.

Garrett said...

Looking further down that job approval list, Congress last year ranged from -14 to -59 percent (approval - disapproval).

So far this year, it's -7 to -36.

Gonzo said...

Pull out of my ass? Hey, dude, you're the one using a selective cite.

Here's the numbers from RCP which averages polls:

President Bush Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve36.5%
Disapprove60.3%
Spread -23.8%

Congressional Job Approval
RCP Average
Approve35.0%
Disapprove55.8%
Spread -20.8%

Dems da numbers. Keep your selective, self-serving bullshit numbers and enjoy them in your fantasy world.

Garrett said...

Selective cite? I gave links. You didn't. I win.